Hinglish
03-20 05:10 PM
It does make sense that the overflow numbers are given to higher preference categories in single state oversubscribed countries. When you think about it, will that not be the most beneficial to United States? Who would you prefer .... and Unskilled professional from a ROW category or a skilled worker from an Oversubscribed country. I would gather it would make more sense to give the opportunity to the higher skilled since the benefit to US will be higher
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Suva
10-15 11:18 PM
I have also very positive experience with them.
gee_see, Cyrus Mehta/firm has been handling my F1 to H1-B filing and GC processing; I have had a very positive experience with the firm, no complaints.
gee_see, Cyrus Mehta/firm has been handling my F1 to H1-B filing and GC processing; I have had a very positive experience with the firm, no complaints.
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02-15 11:08 AM
Very good! Hope to get some more today.
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02-11 01:44 AM
Norcal added 190 to the tally over this weekend!
Go IV, go Norcal.
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08-06 04:18 PM
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chitta123
02-08 03:31 PM
I am in a lot of stress. Please help out if possible.
Six years on my H1B expire in April 2008. I just got laid off from company A. My last day of work will be May 31st. I have LC and I-140 approved with company A.
If I join company B starting June, and transfer my H1B to B, can it extend my H1B beyond 6 years based on the approved I-140 I had with company A? If yes, will it be for one year or three years?
Gurus please help. I will be grateful.
Thanks
Six years on my H1B expire in April 2008. I just got laid off from company A. My last day of work will be May 31st. I have LC and I-140 approved with company A.
If I join company B starting June, and transfer my H1B to B, can it extend my H1B beyond 6 years based on the approved I-140 I had with company A? If yes, will it be for one year or three years?
Gurus please help. I will be grateful.
Thanks
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07-15 04:10 PM
My numbers are not 100% accurate , but it gives fair sense of the current situation.
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ram_ram
12-10 01:06 PM
Logiclife,
IV is a voluntary organisation. You can request people to volunteer, but cannot force them or scold them for not volunteering. This is not professional. They might have their reasons and the right to work their way. I agree with your frustration when people who signed to turn up do not show up. But I feel this is not the way to express it.
Ram
I have been member of IV since Dec 05. Probably since a couple of weeks after it was founded.
In last 2 years, I have seen many ups and downs with this org and there are numerous stories to share in my work with core and grassroots, with lobbyists and congressional staffers, with friends and colleagues.
But what has been happening in few places lately is something that those responsible should be ashamed of.
On saturday IV chapter leader in Texas Needhelp! had organized a local chapter meetup. Now you may ask, oh, another one of those. What do they do anyways?
Well, here is what we do in chapter meetups.
WE WORK.
We find groups that can be formed to meet local congressmen. We refine talking points. We share updates that we dont usually share on website. We help new members get up to speed. We sometimes get local immigration attorneys to answer questions on pro-bono basis (yes, that means free for you) to serve the community. Lawyers get free publicity, we get free legal advise. A symbiotic quid-pro-quo.
This is what happened this weekend in Plano TX (Dallas Suburb).
Now mind you, Dallas area alone has probably atleast 300 registered members. Not to mention the lurkers for whom I have a special message below(at the end).
This is what she (Needhelp) reported after chapter meetup.
Yep. She missed an extra carricular event important to her daughter for this meetup.
Dont even get me started on those who live 10 miles from Plano Texas and dont bother responding even.
You know, when someone arranges to send you details in email and you know about it, you say you will attend and then you dont, what do you think is going to happen?
IF EAD IS THE END OF THE ROAD FOR YOU...
If EAD is the end of the road for you, then why are you still coming to this website. There are about always 600-700 people on this site during the day and about 300 people at night. Who are these people?
The truth of the matter is, the ones who dont contribute, have stopped contributing, or have never contributed funds, attended events or given anything to this org - but still keep scouring theads - are the people to be pitied. You will always be worried. "Mera kyaa hoga". (what will happen to me). Your journey wont end. Ever. Even after getting GC you will be worried about citizenship. Even after getting citizenship, there will be small itch in your head - what if my citizenship is revoked (yes it can legally happen and has happened to a WWII genocide guy in 2001-2002 timeframe, go google it and ruin your rest of the day).
The truth of the matter is, right now, even after getting EAD, then only action you have taken is either stopped contributing funds, or stopped giving any of your time to this org.
But your life has not changed one bit.
You probably wont even use your EAD or change employers. You will constanly be worried about your namecheck, your fingerprints, your this, your that. You will be worried about new inquiries and RFEs coming on your approved 140 (approved years ago) during 485 processing. (yes that can happen too). You will be worried about accidental rejection of 485 (that's why most of the people wont even use EAD and continue on H1 to preserve option of using appeals process to appeal 485 rejection on H1). You will be worried about USCIS not buying your AC21 portability and sending your RFEs to prove that the ported job is "Same or similar" in nature. You will be worried about being unemployed for few weeks at a wrong time just about when 485 RFE comes and you dont have a letter to show you have a job offer to justify 485 approval.
So basically the struggle hasnt ended. Yes, keeping looking at your EAD in your wallet every 3 minutes, its still miserable.
So why not act to end the misery rather than scour forums and comiserate. Is it that much fun to comiserate and is it that much pain to co-operate?
THE LURKERS ON THIS SITE WHO WILL NEVER REGISTER OR DO ANYTHING AT ALL.
Not to mention how many cowards (yes, cowards who think that by registeration on this website, the USCIS will send a black helicopter to their home and abduct and deport them, the ones who have watched the movie "enemy of the state" too many times and think that there is a Jon Voight out there who has nothing to do both to pluck legal skilled immigrants and throw them out). I have a special message for those lurkers who need this website and visit it everyday but dont have the balls to register, share email and participate in any activity. This isnt about a chapter meetup, or your greencard or even this org. Your reluctance is not a reflection of your over-cautiousness. Its a reflection of your character. You will eventually get greencard, become citizens even, but this kind of cowardly attitude will made you lead a boring, uneventful and mediocre life.
And by the way, if the government was really after you, they would have already gotten to you for browsing this site too. Dont you think they (the black helicopter guys) can find our who you are while you are lurking? Ever heard of IP addresses? If I can find that out then they can do much more.
IV is a voluntary organisation. You can request people to volunteer, but cannot force them or scold them for not volunteering. This is not professional. They might have their reasons and the right to work their way. I agree with your frustration when people who signed to turn up do not show up. But I feel this is not the way to express it.
Ram
I have been member of IV since Dec 05. Probably since a couple of weeks after it was founded.
In last 2 years, I have seen many ups and downs with this org and there are numerous stories to share in my work with core and grassroots, with lobbyists and congressional staffers, with friends and colleagues.
But what has been happening in few places lately is something that those responsible should be ashamed of.
On saturday IV chapter leader in Texas Needhelp! had organized a local chapter meetup. Now you may ask, oh, another one of those. What do they do anyways?
Well, here is what we do in chapter meetups.
WE WORK.
We find groups that can be formed to meet local congressmen. We refine talking points. We share updates that we dont usually share on website. We help new members get up to speed. We sometimes get local immigration attorneys to answer questions on pro-bono basis (yes, that means free for you) to serve the community. Lawyers get free publicity, we get free legal advise. A symbiotic quid-pro-quo.
This is what happened this weekend in Plano TX (Dallas Suburb).
Now mind you, Dallas area alone has probably atleast 300 registered members. Not to mention the lurkers for whom I have a special message below(at the end).
This is what she (Needhelp) reported after chapter meetup.
Yep. She missed an extra carricular event important to her daughter for this meetup.
Dont even get me started on those who live 10 miles from Plano Texas and dont bother responding even.
You know, when someone arranges to send you details in email and you know about it, you say you will attend and then you dont, what do you think is going to happen?
IF EAD IS THE END OF THE ROAD FOR YOU...
If EAD is the end of the road for you, then why are you still coming to this website. There are about always 600-700 people on this site during the day and about 300 people at night. Who are these people?
The truth of the matter is, the ones who dont contribute, have stopped contributing, or have never contributed funds, attended events or given anything to this org - but still keep scouring theads - are the people to be pitied. You will always be worried. "Mera kyaa hoga". (what will happen to me). Your journey wont end. Ever. Even after getting GC you will be worried about citizenship. Even after getting citizenship, there will be small itch in your head - what if my citizenship is revoked (yes it can legally happen and has happened to a WWII genocide guy in 2001-2002 timeframe, go google it and ruin your rest of the day).
The truth of the matter is, right now, even after getting EAD, then only action you have taken is either stopped contributing funds, or stopped giving any of your time to this org.
But your life has not changed one bit.
You probably wont even use your EAD or change employers. You will constanly be worried about your namecheck, your fingerprints, your this, your that. You will be worried about new inquiries and RFEs coming on your approved 140 (approved years ago) during 485 processing. (yes that can happen too). You will be worried about accidental rejection of 485 (that's why most of the people wont even use EAD and continue on H1 to preserve option of using appeals process to appeal 485 rejection on H1). You will be worried about USCIS not buying your AC21 portability and sending your RFEs to prove that the ported job is "Same or similar" in nature. You will be worried about being unemployed for few weeks at a wrong time just about when 485 RFE comes and you dont have a letter to show you have a job offer to justify 485 approval.
So basically the struggle hasnt ended. Yes, keeping looking at your EAD in your wallet every 3 minutes, its still miserable.
So why not act to end the misery rather than scour forums and comiserate. Is it that much fun to comiserate and is it that much pain to co-operate?
THE LURKERS ON THIS SITE WHO WILL NEVER REGISTER OR DO ANYTHING AT ALL.
Not to mention how many cowards (yes, cowards who think that by registeration on this website, the USCIS will send a black helicopter to their home and abduct and deport them, the ones who have watched the movie "enemy of the state" too many times and think that there is a Jon Voight out there who has nothing to do both to pluck legal skilled immigrants and throw them out). I have a special message for those lurkers who need this website and visit it everyday but dont have the balls to register, share email and participate in any activity. This isnt about a chapter meetup, or your greencard or even this org. Your reluctance is not a reflection of your over-cautiousness. Its a reflection of your character. You will eventually get greencard, become citizens even, but this kind of cowardly attitude will made you lead a boring, uneventful and mediocre life.
And by the way, if the government was really after you, they would have already gotten to you for browsing this site too. Dont you think they (the black helicopter guys) can find our who you are while you are lurking? Ever heard of IP addresses? If I can find that out then they can do much more.
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ankur6ue
07-09 12:45 PM
This country seems to be discriminatory against everybody except for people from Mexico and Latin America. The per-country quota's make sense since one wouldn't want immigrants from a particular country or set of countries (India and China) to disrupt the racial mixture of this country. But then why don't they apply the same logic to illegal immigrants from Mexico? They are predominantly of the same race and if they are allowed to stay here and bring their families, it won't be too long until they are the majority ethnic group in this country. Even if one assumes that there are a million plus applications from Indians and Chinese stuck in the green card line, we are only a small fraction of the total number of illegal immigrants! If you are going to have per-country quotas, apply them uniformly across the board- don't give amnesty to millions of people of mexico who are also brown skinned, while making legal, law abiding people from other countries wait for decades! Imagine how long it'll take for illegals to get a Greencard if they applied in EB3 and waited in line for their visa number to be current like the rest of us. Most of them would probably go back to where they came from once faced with that prospect.
I find it highly Ironic that EB2 is current for Mexico and not for India, even though Mexico sends tonnes more people here than India.
I find it highly Ironic that EB2 is current for Mexico and not for India, even though Mexico sends tonnes more people here than India.
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gk_2000
03-27 10:17 AM
MC - ur date is pretty close and I can understand ur frustration being so close yet so far. Porting is like labor substitution - LEGAL. Nothing we can do.
He has a choice of how to behave at any time. Being near the goal could also allow one to be more charitable, as you know you will be in the green in near future
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delhiguy79
07-18 07:52 AM
OK ... I will wait till Aug 15th to get the receipt notice, if I dont get it by then I will send it with the cover letter that I have not yet received the receipt notice.
Thanks.
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martiansoldier
07-26 11:57 AM
if you are a desi no reason for you to not know hindi mate....hamara bharat mahan
This thread was dead in October last year. This guy MartianSoldier restarted it ( and notice he has only 1 post ) for just one reason - start infighting among indians from different states.
Anyone falling into his trap and fighting on the thread ?
Martiansoldier really belongs not on Mars but in a mental asylum. Please don't post on this thread unless it has really got something to do with PIO card or the Indian consulate.
Remember United we stand and Divided we fall.
@hpandey:
Congratulations on working hard to figure out where I belong but too bad, it wasn't worth it nor will it ever matter to anyone where I belong!
You might want to ask ameryki to stop thread jacking before you blame me. I did not start any infighting nor did I start the Hindi topic! I just responded to a stupid post by ameryki and I sure as hell have every right to voice my opinions. If you don't like it, do what you will and move on!
I've got to make myself clear about my first reason though.
When I mean attitude of the people that speak it, I mean the attitude of those that speak it to me after I have politely mentioned in English that I do not know the language and yet those morons begin a lecture that I have to know the language because I am a citizen of the nation and it doesn't matter where I live. The constitution of India does not state that every citizen of India must know Hindi nor does it state that no matter where in the world an Indian lives, he must know Hindi to be an Indian citizen.
At the end of the day, no matter what anyone says or thinks of me, I still don't have one good reason to learn Hindi! Yet, I am a Proud Citizen of Indian and there is nothing that people like hpandey or ameryki can do about it! This is the truth and so will it remain!
@ snathan:
We're not alone and I'm sure that you'd agree that we're no less Indian citizens than anyone that speaks Hindi. What we type here isn't going to change the fact that we're treated differently by those Indian citizens who speak Hindi and most of those that speak it would never ever change their attitude toward us for not knowing it.
I've got better things to do than help hpandey or ameryki understand what it would feel like to be in our shoes and I ain't gonna bother. Like I have my opinion, they have theirs!
Cheers everyone! It is time for me to move on.
Vaazhga Thamizh! Valarga Indhiya Naadu!
This thread was dead in October last year. This guy MartianSoldier restarted it ( and notice he has only 1 post ) for just one reason - start infighting among indians from different states.
Anyone falling into his trap and fighting on the thread ?
Martiansoldier really belongs not on Mars but in a mental asylum. Please don't post on this thread unless it has really got something to do with PIO card or the Indian consulate.
Remember United we stand and Divided we fall.
@hpandey:
Congratulations on working hard to figure out where I belong but too bad, it wasn't worth it nor will it ever matter to anyone where I belong!
You might want to ask ameryki to stop thread jacking before you blame me. I did not start any infighting nor did I start the Hindi topic! I just responded to a stupid post by ameryki and I sure as hell have every right to voice my opinions. If you don't like it, do what you will and move on!
I've got to make myself clear about my first reason though.
When I mean attitude of the people that speak it, I mean the attitude of those that speak it to me after I have politely mentioned in English that I do not know the language and yet those morons begin a lecture that I have to know the language because I am a citizen of the nation and it doesn't matter where I live. The constitution of India does not state that every citizen of India must know Hindi nor does it state that no matter where in the world an Indian lives, he must know Hindi to be an Indian citizen.
At the end of the day, no matter what anyone says or thinks of me, I still don't have one good reason to learn Hindi! Yet, I am a Proud Citizen of Indian and there is nothing that people like hpandey or ameryki can do about it! This is the truth and so will it remain!
@ snathan:
We're not alone and I'm sure that you'd agree that we're no less Indian citizens than anyone that speaks Hindi. What we type here isn't going to change the fact that we're treated differently by those Indian citizens who speak Hindi and most of those that speak it would never ever change their attitude toward us for not knowing it.
I've got better things to do than help hpandey or ameryki understand what it would feel like to be in our shoes and I ain't gonna bother. Like I have my opinion, they have theirs!
Cheers everyone! It is time for me to move on.
Vaazhga Thamizh! Valarga Indhiya Naadu!
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tonyHK12
03-28 08:43 PM
Brother Tony...just ignore him..he is a frustrated coward. These kind of people become brave in forums...I real life they are the most nicest people. Let him feel that he is the man.
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delhiguy79
07-20 07:25 AM
I agree 100 %. But even if the officer wants to know about out I 140, it wud be just a 1 min process for them as they can check if a recipt was generated based on the names.
If we put the copies of the fee checks, that would help even more because that means that our I 140 application was accepted.
With tracking receipts, cheque copies and a letter, I believe we would be able to establish evidence that, 140 was received by the service center.
Totally missing out on showing that I 140 is filed is no evidence at all. Showing every possible document to prove that the docment was filed, should be do the work.
Anyways since there are so many hundreds of people who filed I 140 in the recent days, I believe some alternative from USCIS wud show up in the next few days .......
its gud info u provided....i hope USCIS do come up with something...
If we put the copies of the fee checks, that would help even more because that means that our I 140 application was accepted.
With tracking receipts, cheque copies and a letter, I believe we would be able to establish evidence that, 140 was received by the service center.
Totally missing out on showing that I 140 is filed is no evidence at all. Showing every possible document to prove that the docment was filed, should be do the work.
Anyways since there are so many hundreds of people who filed I 140 in the recent days, I believe some alternative from USCIS wud show up in the next few days .......
its gud info u provided....i hope USCIS do come up with something...
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go_guy123
08-09 12:25 PM
I have never lived in Canada but married to a Canadian citizen so I am writing this with her help and with my limited knowledge. I don't think 50K per year is enough, you may survive but living standard won't be as good, say, compared to Texas (if you are in CA then its different comparison). You pay more taxes, high insurance premiums, clothes are expensive etc. everything is higher. As per my bro-in-law, the sale price of houses in Houston is less that the cost of building house in Toronto (he is a financial consultant in Toronto). I heard socially Canada is better than US and have nicer people.
Heath care is free (not dental, vision etc.) but you eventually pay more taxes for that so if you are planning to bring your parents this could be good but for healthy young family basically you pay more taxes for health of others. Health care can be compared to US but not as good because there is cap on doctor's income (300K??) and many good doctors move to US.
TN is definitely good and hopefully it will remain for Canadian citizens and can be renewed with no cap for maximum years but but your dependents can not work with your TN visa.
I, myself, have applied for Canadian PR and should get it soon but that's just as stand by and won't move there unless I have to.
Yes what you are saying is true. I am not denying that but how long can you stay on
H1B is the question. But yes I also started with 50k but I am moving up. IT salaries are higher. I know banks paying 70K and going even more above 80K. You can also work as independent contractor type unlike H1B. No middle men inbetween and all expenses before tax.
Yes ofcourse US is a far bigger economy. But I was born in India, what can I do. Within my contraints I am looking for best possibility.
When I feel down/upset I look at this video and I feel far better and motivated: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQPmY4nIjVE&feature=channel_page
Since your wife is Canadian citizen, basically your downside risk in US is hedged. If things don't work out you can quickly move to Canada. But for others with Indian passport
it is not so. Like I said before I am not against working in US under TN1 or H1B. Just that
I am willing to work under desperate body shopper slave like conditions. If I get position under direct client in H1B its fine with me. In fact when your company knows that you are not that desperate they also treat you differently. Is your wife also born in Canada, if so then it is even beter, you are out of the EB-I trap. You should definiately look for US options.
Long back when we were working under H1B/OPT for a company in US, there was the annual bonus/promotion announcement. And I saw that none (except 1) of the H1Bs got a promotion. Just one H1B got promotion and that person had recent married a US citizen. Basically the company knew that its leverage over him is gone and in order to retain him they need to promote him. It is all a zero sum game my friend.
Heath care is free (not dental, vision etc.) but you eventually pay more taxes for that so if you are planning to bring your parents this could be good but for healthy young family basically you pay more taxes for health of others. Health care can be compared to US but not as good because there is cap on doctor's income (300K??) and many good doctors move to US.
TN is definitely good and hopefully it will remain for Canadian citizens and can be renewed with no cap for maximum years but but your dependents can not work with your TN visa.
I, myself, have applied for Canadian PR and should get it soon but that's just as stand by and won't move there unless I have to.
Yes what you are saying is true. I am not denying that but how long can you stay on
H1B is the question. But yes I also started with 50k but I am moving up. IT salaries are higher. I know banks paying 70K and going even more above 80K. You can also work as independent contractor type unlike H1B. No middle men inbetween and all expenses before tax.
Yes ofcourse US is a far bigger economy. But I was born in India, what can I do. Within my contraints I am looking for best possibility.
When I feel down/upset I look at this video and I feel far better and motivated: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQPmY4nIjVE&feature=channel_page
Since your wife is Canadian citizen, basically your downside risk in US is hedged. If things don't work out you can quickly move to Canada. But for others with Indian passport
it is not so. Like I said before I am not against working in US under TN1 or H1B. Just that
I am willing to work under desperate body shopper slave like conditions. If I get position under direct client in H1B its fine with me. In fact when your company knows that you are not that desperate they also treat you differently. Is your wife also born in Canada, if so then it is even beter, you are out of the EB-I trap. You should definiately look for US options.
Long back when we were working under H1B/OPT for a company in US, there was the annual bonus/promotion announcement. And I saw that none (except 1) of the H1Bs got a promotion. Just one H1B got promotion and that person had recent married a US citizen. Basically the company knew that its leverage over him is gone and in order to retain him they need to promote him. It is all a zero sum game my friend.
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Abhinaym
01-15 08:35 AM
Sure.. if you say so.. y didn't u say that earlier.. jeez
It's official guys, we ROWs only argue for the sake of our self servient morality or lack thereof, while all others are on a Utopian conquest of fairness..
Never mind, good luck to everyone and sorry for time wasted thinking we were having a conversation
Good bye :)
That's quite a dumb inference.
Dude, what's wrong in admitting a bit of selfishness here?
All of us want something in the end, and that's why we're here pooling our needs together. Nobody's asking you to be selfless.
It's official guys, we ROWs only argue for the sake of our self servient morality or lack thereof, while all others are on a Utopian conquest of fairness..
Never mind, good luck to everyone and sorry for time wasted thinking we were having a conversation
Good bye :)
That's quite a dumb inference.
Dude, what's wrong in admitting a bit of selfishness here?
All of us want something in the end, and that's why we're here pooling our needs together. Nobody's asking you to be selfless.
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av2004
05-17 11:50 AM
Thanks to Pappu and IV for providing such simple way to contact our Lawmakers.. It actually took less than a minute to contact my lawmaker using your interface. Great job and thanks for all your hard work to bring our issues to the front!
nonimmi
11-08 02:02 PM
Very well said.
Simple and easy to accept. Not like some people here pretending as SMARTer than others!!
Simple and easy to accept. Not like some people here pretending as SMARTer than others!!
iptel
07-17 11:35 PM
Few months back I was frustrated and was seriously considering going back to India. Until I had to visit Denver for some work last week (where I use to work before). I met one of my freind who is from India and after listening to his story I decided may be it worth waiting for GC. He never wanted to stay in US (not because of GC retrogression but for other reason) and on advise from his coworker he applied for GC. He got his GC in one and half year (wow !! great isnt it). Now look at the life style he is living beautiful house by the lake with view of mountains kids going to good school. He comes home for lunch, work is just couple of miles from home. Huge shopping malls at stone throw distance. Now he thank his ex-coworker for his advise as he and his family is living a wonderful life.
Its just matter of time. Lets look at the glass half filled rather than half empty few months back it was total darkness atleast now we have bills passed by Senate which incorporates IV goals (kudos to IV core and all members). All we can do is try as we did before. Lets renew our fight with full vigor we are half way through. Once it passes HR we are done. I urge all members to participate on Sunday's conference and plan new strategy.
Its just matter of time. Lets look at the glass half filled rather than half empty few months back it was total darkness atleast now we have bills passed by Senate which incorporates IV goals (kudos to IV core and all members). All we can do is try as we did before. Lets renew our fight with full vigor we are half way through. Once it passes HR we are done. I urge all members to participate on Sunday's conference and plan new strategy.
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